sur « l’indépendance » de la Catalogne


sur « l’indépendance » de la Catalogne.
The plague of nationalism
The world has enough countries. Too goddamn many if you ask me. Is there room for any more delegations at the United Nations? Any more parking spots in New York? Have the people of Catalonia, who are seeking independence from Spain in an October 1 vote, considered that their new nation will have to open hundreds of new embassies and consulates around the world, furnish them all, fill them all with paid employees, houses and apartments and furniture for many of them, several new cars for each diplomatic post. … How many billions of dollars in taxes will be taken from the Catalan people to pay for all this?
And what about the military? Any self-respecting country needs an army and a navy. Will the new Catalonia be able to afford even halfway decent armed forces? The new country will of course have to join NATO with its obligatory minimum defense capability. There goes a billion or two more.
Plus what it will have to pay the European Union, which will simply be replacing Madrid in imposing many legal restrictions upon the Catalan people.
And for what noble purpose are they rising up? Freedom, democracy, civil liberties, human rights? No. It’s all for money. Madrid is taking in more in taxes from Catalonia than it returns in services, something which can be said about many city-state relationships in the United States. (Presumably there are also some individual Catalans who have their odd personal reasons.)
Catalan nationalists insist that “self-determination” is an inalienable right and cannot be curbed by the Spanish Constitution. Well, then, why stop with an “autonomous community” as Catalonia is designated? Why don’t provinces everywhere have the right to declare their independence? How about cities? Or neighborhoods? Why not my block? I could be the president.
And there are many other restive independence movements in the world, like the Kurds in Iraq and Turkey; in Scotland, Belgium and Italy; and California. Lord help us. Many countries are very reluctant to even recognize a new state for fear that it might encourage their own people to break away.
If love is blind, nationalism has lost all five senses.


Zineb Bettayeb
octobre 16, 2017

It also happens in Algeria, some movemnts claim the establishement of their own state (the Kabyls), as a matter of fact we are all human kind God has created us from different races colors and tribes to live together, in an other hand the first movemen…

Amazigh Maz
octobre 16, 2017

I beg to differ: God didn’t create anything except bigots obsessed with prudish politics.

Mi KL
octobre 16, 2017

Il y a une raison qui n’est pas citée : lorsque l’État central s’est décrédibilisé par la violence sur l’une de ses minorités territoriales et que l’indépendance devient alors « le plus sacré des droits et le plus indispensable des devoirs ».

Eric Lavachery
octobre 16, 2017

« Why don’t provinces everywhere have the right to declare their independence? How about cities? Or neighborhoods? Why not my block? I could be the president. » = Appel au ridicule : Tactique argumentative, un sophisme qui consiste à caricaturer les propos de son adversaire jusqu’à le rendre ridicule, et donc facilement réfutable.

    Frédéric Busschaert
    octobre 16, 2017

    Qu’est-ce qu’il y a de ridicule ? Si une communauté décide de s’autogérer, qu’elle soit constituée de 10 millions de personnes, de 100 mille personnes ou même de 100 personnes, ça change quoi ?

    Eric Lavachery
    octobre 16, 2017

    Frédéric Busschaert : Je ne dis pas que c’est ridicule. Par contre l’auteur de l’article essaie de rendre ça ridicule en exagérant, et c’est ce que je lui reproche.

Frédéric Busschaert
octobre 16, 2017

Qu’est-ce qu’il y a de ridicule ? Si une communauté décide de s’autogérer, qu’elle soit constituée de 10 millions de personnes, de 100 mille personnes ou même de 100 personnes, ça change quoi ?

Eric Lavachery
octobre 16, 2017

Frédéric Busschaert : Je ne dis pas que c’est ridicule. Par contre l’auteur de l’article essaie de rendre ça ridicule en exagérant, et c’est ce que je lui reproche.